tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post2226546075168341772..comments2024-03-28T14:35:30.147-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: More Ferdinand Penetration TestsPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-27013777647227436632022-02-27T05:55:15.129-05:002022-02-27T05:55:15.129-05:00From the demonstrated complete immunity of Ferdina...From the demonstrated complete immunity of Ferdinand's casemate against 75mm PzGr.39/42 at s.v. of 912m/s (100m) I estimate that this shell would require at least 946m/s to defeat this target.Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00548023869907629898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-49128874356214660312020-11-24T17:15:50.055-05:002020-11-24T17:15:50.055-05:00From the scoops made by non penetrating M61 shells...From the scoops made by non penetrating M61 shells at 700m I'd say these shots were taken from an angle, probably +20° to the side as soviet testers often did. With a perfectly 90° shot these would've probably penetrated.Peasanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00548023869907629898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-47726187326532052142018-08-24T16:45:29.305-04:002018-08-24T16:45:29.305-04:00The penetration of Soviet AP shells was very poor ...The penetration of Soviet AP shells was very poor due to insufficent hardening and shell quality. Thats why they often used flat nosed shells instead, since their regular AP shells would shatter against thick armor anyway and these kinds of shells are easy to produce. Both 122mm BR-471 and BR-471B only penetrated around ~160mm of flat armor at 100m while the 75mm PzGr. 39, which would not shatter, penetrated around 180mm and more.<br />Against sloped armor the Soviet shells were still effective and penetrated as much as you could expect from their respective caliber and velocity.<br />It should be noted that because the Soviet shells shattered so easily against thick armor (= high velocity) they would maintain their close range penetration even at long range until the shell was so slow enough to not shatter.<br />So thick vertical armor was actually more effective against Soviet shells than sloped armor.<br />Compared to the Ferdinands 200mm armor the Panthers 80mm sloped at 55° only offers around 185mm of protection against AP shells. But because uncapped AP shells are better at penetrate sloped armor than thick vertical armor, the Panthers armor was basically worse.KillaKiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760488116137443661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-27668265703774919002015-02-08T18:26:15.243-05:002015-02-08T18:26:15.243-05:00Look at the third picture, the roof is fine. This ...Look at the third picture, the roof is fine. This vehicle was not blown up by its crew.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-32436447733868854342015-02-08T04:50:55.265-05:002015-02-08T04:50:55.265-05:00If you look at the pictures of the other test you ...If you look at the pictures of the other test you can see the roof armor is basically blown off and its on its side missing on set of tracks and wheels I believe this Ferdinand was blown up by its crew ( Ferdinands at Kursk that were unrecoverable were blown up according to records) before the russian testing meaning that the plates were already weakened before any testing was done to the vehicle. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-18675968038502117082015-01-01T14:57:59.055-05:002015-01-01T14:57:59.055-05:00Range was not mentioned for that one either.Range was not mentioned for that one either.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-24451622041499461742015-01-01T14:57:09.953-05:002015-01-01T14:57:09.953-05:00Yes, these are the same vehicles.Yes, these are the same vehicles.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14159774625285245452014-12-31T10:14:37.384-05:002014-12-31T10:14:37.384-05:00Now that I can examine the photo closer it looks l...Now that I can examine the photo closer it looks like the same Ferdinand is used in testing the Russian heavy guns. Where the 152mm supposedly alone destroyed the driver's plate on the right side there are the same penetrations from the 75mm. <br />The same chip mark in the driver's plate and nose plate can be seen. Also you can see the partially erased chalk marks of the '75 HEM Bp' under the 'D' of 'D-1200' are still there in photo #40.<br />http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2013/03/suisu-152-vs-german-big-cats.html<br />Odds are that two different Ferdinands would't have dents in identical places.<br />-mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-70482703855178378262014-12-31T09:50:27.076-05:002014-12-31T09:50:27.076-05:00Yes, but if you look closely two penetrations on t...Yes, but if you look closely two penetrations on the bolted driver's plate are right next to a bolt. Basically they sandwich one. So that might be slightly weaker than further away.<br />-mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-7040314755670780922014-12-31T09:26:07.185-05:002014-12-31T09:26:07.185-05:00The 7,5 cm L/70 penetrated the frontalarmor but th...The 7,5 cm L/70 penetrated the frontalarmor but the Ferdi but the D-25 didnt? Thats pretty odd.Thor_Hammerschlaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052934459112536174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-18368349932965911832014-12-31T07:13:39.213-05:002014-12-31T07:13:39.213-05:00What about the distance at which the 88mm fired to...What about the distance at which the 88mm fired to the Panther? According to other tests, it should penetrate at around 650 meters.<br /><br />http://english.battlefield.ru/documents/29-technics/96-testing-100-mm-and-122-mm-tank-guns.htmlAlejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537203226584815118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-28964448516120438412014-12-30T23:55:39.209-05:002014-12-30T23:55:39.209-05:00Trials recorded that the UFP was 85 mm and LFP was...Trials recorded that the UFP was 85 mm and LFP was 65 mm.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-18204968361624803722014-12-30T22:09:16.288-05:002014-12-30T22:09:16.288-05:00Did the Panther shown in the article have a 60 or ...Did the Panther shown in the article have a 60 or 80 mm glacis? Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-22660122135481376322014-12-30T19:11:30.308-05:002014-12-30T19:11:30.308-05:00Nope, sadly.Nope, sadly.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-8033934192895952922014-12-30T17:47:43.457-05:002014-12-30T17:47:43.457-05:00No ranges given on the 85mm, German 88mm or 75mm?
...No ranges given on the 85mm, German 88mm or 75mm?<br />-mAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com