tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post3420621860028730164..comments2024-03-28T14:35:30.147-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: IS-2 vs FerdinandPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-65561782410109440452020-05-28T11:39:46.140-04:002020-05-28T11:39:46.140-04:00The Ferdinand's armour is a little more compli...The Ferdinand's armour is a little more complicated than it seems. The armour diagrams you see today are based on preliminary Soviet measurements that were sent to the UK way before anyone who spoke English saw a Ferdinand in the field. Measurements taken by Soviet and British specialists later (when the latter met them in Italy) were much different. Whether it is a difference in individual tanks or the initial measurements were off, I can't say.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-88478326949676307542020-05-28T11:12:23.024-04:002020-05-28T11:12:23.024-04:00Why does it say in photo 36 that the armour is 150...Why does it say in photo 36 that the armour is 150-180mm thick? I thought that the Ferdinand's superstrucutre was 200mm thick. Is there something obvious that I'm missing here?Yang Liuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14512530429108649938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-15150556255568217652019-02-26T17:32:42.823-05:002019-02-26T17:32:42.823-05:00thxthxKillaKiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760488116137443661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-664865730830887762019-02-25T11:08:30.151-05:002019-02-25T11:08:30.151-05:00"Бронеб." short for бронебойный, armour ..."Бронеб." short for бронебойный, armour piercing. I don't think BR-471B existed at this point.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-57225957666802045102019-02-24T05:18:09.517-05:002019-02-24T05:18:09.517-05:00What does it say in the pictures beneath the 122mm...What does it say in the pictures beneath the 122mm?<br />I put it into google translate and I get "ArmorB".<br />Does that refer to the BR-471B shell or did they use the sharp nosed BR-471?KillaKiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760488116137443661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-76192187728457557332019-02-20T06:11:45.574-05:002019-02-20T06:11:45.574-05:00At 1400m the 122mm AP shell fired from the IS-2 ha...At 1400m the 122mm AP shell fired from the IS-2 has a velocity of 609m/s and such shell would penetrate around 180mm of armor.<br />The shell failed against the 200m portion but had ennough energy to get stuck in the 150-180mm part of the armor where a gun mantled should have been.<br />The result can be expected since the plate is also angled around 20° to the vertical.<br />However due to AP shells breaking up at high velocity it's questionable if the 122mm AP round could even penetrate the superstructure at closer range.KillaKiwihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760488116137443661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-39896498931407563402018-08-13T17:03:30.428-04:002018-08-13T17:03:30.428-04:00"Proganda bullshit" fiendishly hidden fr..."Proganda bullshit" fiendishly hidden from public view by those dastardly "commies", biding their time until well after the collapse of the Soviet Union so that they could achieve their ultimate aim--subversion of all right-thinking military simulation games!!<br /><br />(snark mode off).Stewart Millenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261690405884935161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-7063142334900879252018-08-13T17:01:48.970-04:002018-08-13T17:01:48.970-04:00Uh, guys the report specifically says 'the fro...Uh, guys the report specifically says 'the front plate'. Stewart Millenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01261690405884935161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-66186268210814961442015-09-14T17:05:49.713-04:002015-09-14T17:05:49.713-04:00lol propagande bullshit and desperate thing to dem...lol propagande bullshit and desperate thing to demolish the ferdinands armor with that report about an IS2 who got a Ferdi. Who knows if the ferdi didn´t break down or caught fire because of it´s complex engine? Ferdi armor was appereantly to much for russian d25 122mm gun, but the vehicle had trouble on its own...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18388216918315755478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-13618643602519170052014-12-03T14:18:34.403-05:002014-12-03T14:18:34.403-05:00The distance was 1400 m and 2 shots beounced from ...The distance was 1400 m and 2 shots beounced from 200 armour but dents in the armour are quietly deep (100 mm dents in 200 mm armour is close to penetration) and at closest range under 1000 m D25 should penetrate front hull armour.<br />But of course the AP amunition is not just one kind of amunition that IS 2 should use against tanks. If HE was fired to the ferdinants<br />superstructure the blast with fragments would demage gun and destroy front hull roof armour but ferdinant shouldnt do it to the IS 2 because there is practically no front hull roof armour on IS 2 :)<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-37416730621254727892014-12-02T07:02:48.037-05:002014-12-02T07:02:48.037-05:00>Yes, you would attempt a flank shot especially...>Yes, you would attempt a flank shot especially on an observed target that does not realize you are there. It would be insane and foolish to attempt to close on the Ferdinand if it is manned and active, from the front.<br /><br />If you start out at the front, and give up that shot chance, you will give the Ferdinand an extra chance to spot you as you work into the flank.<br /><br />But never mind that. It is actually possible to locate the probable place of action. You can actually find Dobrosin, Magerov and Borki (under different spellings) in the Lvov/Lviv Oblast of modern Ukraine on Google Earth.<br /><br />And studying the terrain there, you can see it would have been pretty hard to arrange for a 1km flank or rear shot against a Ferdinand hiding in the woods to the south of Borki (which also means it is south of the road - in essence it is firing northward to interdict the road). Which may be why they didn't bother putting in a direction - people that are familiar with the terrain will know this, unlike us.arkhangelskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247250672432027166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-65119451529334952882014-12-02T06:42:22.622-05:002014-12-02T06:42:22.622-05:00I agree, the Report in the end is pointless.I agree, the Report in the end is pointless.Thor_Hammerschlaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14230343757139315722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-56853430117380325622014-11-23T19:52:43.441-05:002014-11-23T19:52:43.441-05:00Yes, you would attempt a flank shot especially on ...Yes, you would attempt a flank shot especially on an observed target that does not realize you are there. It would be insane and foolish to attempt to close on the Ferdinand if it is manned and active, from the front.<br /><br />Soviets were not stupid, they would not attack it from the front if the above criteria were true. No country would attack frontally unless they had no other choice.<br /><br />Again, the point remains that this battlefield report does not describe where the Ferdinand was hit, and as such should not be included in this article as it provides us nothing objective.<br /><br />A T-34-85 can knock out a Ferdinand, depending on distance and where it is shooting at. The question though, is the effectiveness of the 122mm on the frontally, or more specifically on the frontal casemate of the Ferdinand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-51989330571763292702014-11-21T20:44:32.347-05:002014-11-21T20:44:32.347-05:00It does say the thing was "burnt" - whic...It does say the thing was "burnt" - which in Russian is more serious than just a lost. At the very least it was disabled and that's the point.<br /><br />It is true the hit angle was not determined. On the other hand, it may be presumed based on the above that crews are taught that they can take the Ferdinand head on with good chances of success. Will you be running around for a flank shot?arkhangelskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247250672432027166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-10211930941054161452014-11-20T16:47:18.769-05:002014-11-20T16:47:18.769-05:00What was the point of including this battlefield r...What was the point of including this battlefield report, when the report does not describe where the Ferdinand was hit or what "destroyed" actually means? Seriously, without any detail the report is meaningless to the subject of effectiveness of the 122mm against the Ferdinands armor. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-38307066637698249162014-03-29T19:20:04.466-04:002014-03-29T19:20:04.466-04:00http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com.ar/2011/11/el-cano...http://alejandro-8.blogspot.com.ar/2011/11/el-canon-antitanque-de-100mm-bs-3.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com