tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post691092543422257334..comments2024-03-15T05:39:01.295-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: Cheating at Statistics 11: Bix and his TricksPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-30690504355311008372017-12-10T16:27:59.637-05:002017-12-10T16:27:59.637-05:00critical massive troll the area is clear, the date...critical massive troll the area is clear, the date is clear, the units are correctly identified (if you bother to look to a map Stargard is in the left down corner of the rectangle, just in the path of the 61st army) and as allways you don't add any information to the discussion other than your will to confuse unwarned people with your Nazi side defense. Motzkorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18316989921665401048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-83372452117289909342016-10-07T09:31:18.709-04:002016-10-07T09:31:18.709-04:00No. You compared his claims (again) with the wrong...No. You compared his claims (again) with the wrong soviet units. Why not checking the units involved? Your interpretation of Stargard as the area of battle is entirely incorrect. The accuation articulated therefore completely evaporated in air.critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-70453791607308508612016-09-27T11:36:49.416-04:002016-09-27T11:36:49.416-04:00And? The amount of tanks the Soviets write off as ...And? The amount of tanks the Soviets write off as lost or damaged is still much, much less than that.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-19990080604171625622016-09-27T06:24:10.777-04:002016-09-27T06:24:10.777-04:00Let´s observe only official german claims for 25th...Let´s observe only official german claims for 25th feb. 1945<br />(all of Hgr. Weichsel, all combat causes)<br /><br />enemy tanks destroyed (claimed): 14, and<br /><br />26th of feb. 1945: tanks destroyed (claimed): 38critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-52069424199530789682016-06-19T16:39:10.575-04:002016-06-19T16:39:10.575-04:00Finally, these losses are from the entire breadth ...Finally, these losses are from the entire breadth of the front of the 8th GTC, from the Vistula to Skórcz. Unless Bix was zooming back and forth along a 25 km front and was responsible for every single kill not only on February 25th but also the surrounding days, his claims are impossible.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-86667183916221722612016-06-19T16:27:34.685-04:002016-06-19T16:27:34.685-04:00Oh, and the SU-85 you included was knocked out by ...Oh, and the SU-85 you included was knocked out by mortar fire. Remind me again, how many mortars was the Jagdpanther equipped with?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-76068606685173239752016-06-19T16:26:23.653-04:002016-06-19T16:26:23.653-04:00If you take the losses from ONLY February 25th whe...If you take the losses from ONLY February 25th when you claim this happened instead of an entire week, you get:<br />Burned: 2 T-34, 1 M4A2<br />Knocked out: 1 T-34, 2 M4A2<br />One T-34 was stuck in a trench.<br /><br />And February 26th, the documents state that the 8th GTC did not perform any combat actions. So much for 16 knocked out tanks.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-87340617279778625112016-06-19T06:16:22.158-04:002016-06-19T06:16:22.158-04:00That's right, Starograd. Bix's own account...That's right, Starograd. Bix's own account can be found in Hans Schäufler's book "Panzer an der Weichsel", which is also available in English and Russian. Bix says that on 25 Feb 45 his unit, I./PzR 35, was deployed "south of Preussisch Stargard". There is no doubt of that, because the entire 4. PzD was deployed in that area, anyway. The opponent was definitely the 8 GTC, which had mixed inventory (T-34's and Shermans). The event in question took place either on 25th or on the next day, when the 8th GTC was finally pulled out. For me, this case is closed.<br /><br />KamenAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01341185524380062149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-44300838026012543122016-06-18T11:14:07.438-04:002016-06-18T11:14:07.438-04:00So you want to say that Bix was in that spot marke...So you want to say that Bix was in that spot marked Старогард, close to 2nd Shock Army's direction of advance? A quick check would suggest that it did have Shermans (at least in August last year)<br /><br />http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/gvtk08.htmlarkhangelskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247250672432027166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-23472107855758602792016-06-18T09:19:15.864-04:002016-06-18T09:19:15.864-04:00The encounter took place south of Starogard Gdansk...The encounter took place south of Starogard Gdanski, West Prussia, which between 1939 and 1945 was part of the Third Reich and was known as Preussisch Stargard. (Bix was with 4. PzD that had nothing to do with the other Stargard!) From 21 to 26 February 1945 the Soviet 8th Guards Tank Corps tried in vain to crush that German position, sustaining heavy losses in the process, namely:<br /><br />- 21 T-34's (including 13 total write-offs)<br />- 16 M4A2's (including 8 total write-offs)<br />- 1 SU-85<br />- about 350 killed and wounded<br /><br />I have nothing more to say about this "cheating statistics" joke.<br /><br /><br />Kamen NevenkinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com