tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post6998557705699571799..comments2024-03-20T11:41:56.776-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: AccuracyPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-35751031923118058582021-01-13T16:13:22.040-05:002021-01-13T16:13:22.040-05:00Like any other SPG with a casemate, the gun could ...Like any other SPG with a casemate, the gun could be aimed left and right within a limited sector without moving the entire vehicle. The driver would do the coarse correction and then the gunner would do fine aiming, similar to how a Tiger gunner would use powered traverse (which he also had to coordinate with the driver, since traverse speed was affected by engine RPM) and then do the fine aiming with the manual traverse.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-69116097042147566532021-01-13T07:15:53.128-05:002021-01-13T07:15:53.128-05:00The ISU-152's gun was mounted in a casemate, i...The ISU-152's gun was mounted in a casemate, i.e. fixed / stationary / non-oscillating. This means, in order to aim left or right, the whole tank would have to be moved using its drivetrain. Making a case that the ISU-152's effective accuracy was anywhere close to that of the Tiger's is laughable.C Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09001128420917341705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-67081227018241207522017-12-28T09:53:50.264-05:002017-12-28T09:53:50.264-05:00So what you're saying is that the gun magicall...So what you're saying is that the gun magically became less accurate when it fell into Soviet hands? That's an amazing claim, even for you.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-9857327876708466242017-12-27T23:15:40.300-05:002017-12-27T23:15:40.300-05:00nope. "Koenigstiger" means bengal tiger ...nope. "Koenigstiger" means bengal tiger and thats it. "Koenig Tiger" would be the king tiger you speak of. In german language joined words can't be separated as you see fit, and have different meanings than same words that are separate. No translator would translate name of the that tank as king tiger unless, he knows shit about german language.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02134355196465909003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-86231150175741191052017-04-28T21:56:32.446-04:002017-04-28T21:56:32.446-04:00No such statement can be found in the Aberdeen rep...No such statement can be found in the Aberdeen report. It's an annotation made by whoever translated and summarized the report into Russian. The actual source is unverifiable (not even the name of the person who allegedly said that was given).<br />Blind devotion to hearsay is not actual historical evidence.<br /><br />Furthermore there's no evidence indicating that our anonymous American had any decent optics for comparison in 1943.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02149443529097012927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-64153990859808770182017-03-14T09:02:18.562-04:002017-03-14T09:02:18.562-04:00German gunnery tables do NOT specify "deviati...German gunnery tables do NOT specify "deviation" but zones. The zone is considerably larger than the "deviation" (as a guideline, the soviet "deviation" is roughly half as large as the german "zone" -if the additional difference between ovaloid and rectangle is to be ignored) Any claims put forward to the contrary by Peter Samsonov are in error.critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-74736545779721872362016-10-29T15:04:03.531-04:002016-10-29T15:04:03.531-04:00It seems important to note the word "RADIUS&q...It seems important to note the word "RADIUS".<br />In german sources, 50% deviations are given as ZONES "Streuung in 50%", not radii.<br /><br />This means, f.e. 88mmL71 Pgr.39 width: 30cm, height: 50cm at 1000m<br />This zone is not similar to radius but equals more it´s diameter (not actually, since the calculation frame was a rectangle in german sources, not a circle). 50% Radius to conform with SU defintioons would be for the same gun at 1000m: width 15cm, height: 25cm.<br />At 1900m: 35cm x 45cm<br /><br />Tighter than with 122mm D25T -as could be expected.critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-6883950615474829032016-10-02T12:58:28.047-04:002016-10-02T12:58:28.047-04:00Hello guys,
I'm from Russia, let me explain th...Hello guys,<br />I'm from Russia, let me explain these numbers.<br /><br />It is co-called "technical" grouping, not accuracy. It tells us only about quality of barrel. You know, like 1 MOA for rifles and so on. It totally undependends on crew traning and other real life parameters. <br /><br />Unlike this, german guide tells exactly about integral parameter of accuracy, wich includes crew traning, stress etc. Cheers!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09498774985961693916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-33326725586703962122016-06-20T14:02:22.291-04:002016-06-20T14:02:22.291-04:00Statistically speaking, the single, ten shell tria...Statistically speaking, the single, ten shell trials are not representing a sufficiently large sample size to base anything on.<br />What is required to determine mean dispersion and standart deviation is a sample of at least 100, better 200 aimed shots.<br /><br />the conclusions drawn are made from too thin data. It´s certainly not safe to jump from a single case observation to a generalization. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-76909600697179845972015-12-09T22:31:49.793-05:002015-12-09T22:31:49.793-05:00Look up the Aberdeen report on the T-34, it's ...Look up the Aberdeen report on the T-34, it's a pretty well known document. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-55927933896201662262015-12-09T21:06:41.211-05:002015-12-09T21:06:41.211-05:00Hello, could you please send me or post that Ameri...Hello, could you please send me or post that American reviews? I just want to read more about it :Ptolai_ndhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03868122281378027804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-86218550877421203792015-11-23T16:11:53.553-05:002015-11-23T16:11:53.553-05:00Yeah, USSR actually bought a German factory and eq...Yeah, USSR actually bought a German factory and equipment for making optics... That's why Russian optics in WW2 was comparable in quality.<br /><br />IIRC what makes german optics "special" is that they offered an extra level of magnification, which helped in acquiring target.<br /><br />But that does not mean Russian guns or optics are straight up worse like wehraboos thought(or rather, didn't think).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17926946315132345634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-59845238583280121722015-10-15T17:41:05.556-04:002015-10-15T17:41:05.556-04:00All you german fanboys are rediculous, you have ju...All you german fanboys are rediculous, you have just been filled with german propaganda, the D25T was probably better than the german 88's because it was just about as accurate except it had much more destructive power. And for all you saying that soviet optics were bad, well they were either just as good or better. And final thing the IS2 beats the Tiger2 anyday, for soo many reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-47579316431772928192015-09-13T15:05:41.388-04:002015-09-13T15:05:41.388-04:00You say that it is erronous to call the Tiger II &...You say that it is erronous to call the Tiger II "King Tiger". That is not so. In German it is called "Königstiger". That's what the Germans call bengal tigers. You might say that the correct name then would be "Bengal Tiger", but the litteral translation of "Königstiger" IS "King Tiger". Things have diffrent names in diffrent languages and the Germans call the bengal tigers "king tigers" and since Tiger II is a German tank the German name should be used, which would be "King Tiger" if said in English.Kapten-Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01482746890610231537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-77832893856373633822015-07-24T05:49:29.108-04:002015-07-24T05:49:29.108-04:00lol @ stupid wehrabooslol @ stupid wehraboosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-36532042919876037762015-04-07T10:33:22.444-04:002015-04-07T10:33:22.444-04:00Gunnery tables discuss deviation, not radius. In a...Gunnery tables discuss deviation, not radius. In addition, practical trials showed that this assertion is incorrect http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2015/03/tiger-ii-trials-gunnery.htmlPeterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-15312379741200546622015-04-07T09:22:42.513-04:002015-04-07T09:22:42.513-04:00sorry, i write with mistake. Must be: soviet's...sorry, i write with mistake. Must be: soviet's accuracy is RADIUS of circle with 50% shots and german's is DIAMETER of this circleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-71564328355847220642015-04-07T09:16:32.367-04:002015-04-07T09:16:32.367-04:00I find some interesting discussion at https://foru...I find some interesting discussion at https://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/132350-o-kuchnosti-tankovykh-pushek/#entry4001870<br />I not good at russian, but he says that soviet's accuracy is DIAMETER of circle with 50% and german's is RADIUS of this circle. Please anybody translate his postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-22722973267012103112015-01-08T17:14:26.240-05:002015-01-08T17:14:26.240-05:00It's always fun watching people think that acc...It's always fun watching people think that accuracy is just a matter of optics and nothing else. The shell doesn't come out of the sight, it comes out of the gun. Properly designed optics (magnification, clearness, and sight clutter, just to name a few) are a result of many features and can help to better identify and range targets, but they do not affect what the shell does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-7187148607989454412015-01-04T23:57:33.188-05:002015-01-04T23:57:33.188-05:00lol @ pathetic little ignorant boys that were rais...lol @ pathetic little ignorant boys that were raised by a consumer society of self centered children <br /><br />not funny, it's sad, really, really sad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14104365488919609392014-07-17T22:00:43.639-04:002014-07-17T22:00:43.639-04:00lol @ this Biased BS blog
so funnylol @ this Biased BS blog<br /><br />so funnyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-89342048321736428112014-07-10T08:54:26.774-04:002014-07-10T08:54:26.774-04:00"Anyone with a clue about guns" is not a..."Anyone with a clue about guns" is not a primary source, I'm afraid. And if you click around the site, you will see that the ML-20 could wreck a Tiger II or a Panther pretty conclusively. A Ferdinand, even! Here you go: http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2013/03/suisu-152-vs-german-big-cats.html<br /><br />It is my most popular article for a reason.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-91612340733016073242014-07-10T06:31:00.360-04:002014-07-10T06:31:00.360-04:00Wow what a full crap of bias shit. I mean who on e...Wow what a full crap of bias shit. I mean who on earth can believe this Russian crap? Every Russian site tells totally different stories to all none Russian. This is nothing more than for the time period, propaganda in favour of the useless Russian guns. Everyone who got atleast a clue about guns can realize that the Soviet 152, 122mm guns were performing accuracy wise somewhere at 1/2 to 1/4 of the accuracy of the German 88 l71. In terms of penetration, 124 pen is not enough to penetrate the Tiger II anywhere as even the lower glacis has over 160 armour when slope is taken into account. Also Panther tank's weakest spot is about 113 so the only part of a Panther it could penetrate was also lower glacis plate. So, in total. Of the germans 2 best armoured tanks, 1 couldn't be penetrated and the other could be penetrated almost from underneath, aka, it would occur maybe something like 1/6-1/10 shots aiming frontally. Not to forget ofcourse that already at a 30 degree angle, the shot couldnt penetrate the Panther's front armour anywhere at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-75928491430913669802014-07-07T16:36:43.583-04:002014-07-07T16:36:43.583-04:00American reviews of Soviet optics call them "...American reviews of Soviet optics call them "the best of those known worldwide". Blind devotion to mythical Zeiss quality is not based on any actual historical evidence.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-24976874080269423992014-07-07T15:03:04.021-04:002014-07-07T15:03:04.021-04:00hi, this test says nothing about the quality of th...hi, this test says nothing about the quality of the sighting devices used to aim the guns. I'd expect a test site to use the best instruments on a clear day with no distracting noise or smoke to simulate a tank gunners environment. Russian glass optics were low quality, greenish glass sometimes with bubbles making fuzzier dark images . Compared to Zeiss optics, probably the worlds best in WW2, in scopes with a choice of different magnifications, the russian glass wasnt as good, so russian accuracy wasnt as good.<br /> Theres also the conditions inside the tanks to consider. German tanks were generally noted for their high crew comfort and well thought out controls, whereas russian tanks were rougher and needed greater crew effort. Fume extraction was better in german turrets. Communications were better in German tanks, useful for reporting target changes and fall-of-shot.Bamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13229960001466678931noreply@blogger.com