tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post771097521011284097..comments2024-03-28T14:35:30.147-04:00Comments on Tank Archives: Clear the AirPeterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-82399837313910599592018-04-26T11:12:32.908-04:002018-04-26T11:12:32.908-04:00The Americans should already have had all the docu...The Americans should already have had all the documentation for some time though: http://tankarchives.blogspot.fi/2014/01/rough-handling-at-aberdeen.html<br /><br />"5. In July 1942, before the tanks were sent to the US, BTU GABTU KA sent blueprints, instructions, and manuals on the tanks, as well as lists of design changes made in 1942 compared to the tanks described in the manuals to comrade Krutikov, to give to US general Famoville. <br /><br />6. Since general Famonville wanted these items shipped by plane, they would have arrived in America before the tanks.<br />Since then, we received no further requests for manuals of explanations."<br /><br />Doesn't mean some parts couldn't have been incorrectly translated or the US technicians for some reason not getting full copies or whatever ofc.Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-76659491717140916792018-04-24T23:27:09.119-04:002018-04-24T23:27:09.119-04:00Peter Samsonov. Perhaps the filter equipment was d...Peter Samsonov. Perhaps the filter equipment was damaged during routine maintenance. It's easy to make mistakes when you are unfamiliar with foreign equipment. Plus the odds are the Soviets didn't us send complete maintenance books. In wartime these types of items are often neglected and those that exist are highly prized.Sager ,William A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06830369127449299646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-40055689039101843762018-04-22T14:14:39.664-04:002018-04-22T14:14:39.664-04:00The filter was called Pomon, not Tomon. The Soviet...The filter was called Pomon, not Tomon. The Soviets may have sent an engineer to help, but in correspondence relating to the tests the Soviets blatantly state two things:<br /><br />a) Components that are usually very robust were damaged in trials by the Americans.<br /><br />b) No technical assistance was requested from any Soviet engineers in the USA.<br /><br />So in these conditions it's quite likely that the filters were not maintained properly.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-68559608600376415572018-04-22T07:40:58.715-04:002018-04-22T07:40:58.715-04:00It does have a relevance. The Tomon air filters ha...It does have a relevance. The Tomon air filters had a cleaning performance of only 79.6% for 1g/m^3 dust load. All the rest goes as abrasive into the cylinders. Such air filters would require maintenance every 2-3 hours in dusty conditions.<br />The filters in the US sent samples were considered by the US as of criminally poor quality. That the air filters were not maintened properly is a thought which is belied by the fact that the soviets also sent an engeneerer with the tanks to the USAPG, whose responsibility was to teach the US personal the use and maintenance of the KV1 and T34.<br /><br />Cyclone air filters with 99% dust removal appeared in late 1942 (and not in all tanks), even though they also required short time maintenance in dusty conditions. <br />Multi cylcone air filters with 100% capacity were not available until IS program and the T34/85 in 1944.critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-79353023179668024922018-04-21T15:43:34.765-04:002018-04-21T15:43:34.765-04:00Which brings us back to the article, which was abo...Which brings us back to the article, which was about just the air filter.<br />Sager ,William A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06830369127449299646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-70336053174000448342018-04-21T14:23:14.937-04:002018-04-21T14:23:14.937-04:00Primary documents detailing the shipment = hearsay...Primary documents detailing the shipment = hearsay, sure, okay.<br /><br />Also, what is "TsAMO D"? Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense use three codes to specify a document (fond, opis, delo) instead of just one.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-89305627456532669572018-04-21T07:18:13.675-04:002018-04-21T07:18:13.675-04:00Given the amount of headaches the Soviets had with...Given the amount of headaches the Soviets had with L-L tanks that had been sloppily prepped for the journey, and often turned out to be missing a variety of parts, equipement and important documentation, it is small wonder they were downright persnickety about such matters when sending stuff the other way...<br /><br />By the by, the order for that prep work is already in the article Peter linked. Not quite seeing what that part has to do with your argument anyway.Kellomieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04915110653443066212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-56249440273093904912018-04-21T04:59:02.315-04:002018-04-21T04:59:02.315-04:00It´s not nonsense it´s the result of actual resear...It´s not nonsense it´s the result of actual research rather than hearsay.<br /><br />Boris Kavalerchik,Once Again About the T-34, in: Journal of Slavic Military Studies 28.1 (2015), pp.186-214.<br /><br />"On 3 June 1942 lieutenant-colonel Kozyrev, who was a military representative at the Ural Tank Factory (UTF) in Nizhny Tagil, received a written order from Moscow to prepare three T-34 tanks for shipment within a month.<br />One of the tanks was going to be sent to the United States. The destination of the others had to be determined later (TsAMO D. 936, pp. 52–53). That the UTF was selected as the supplier was in no way by chance. At that time it was namely this factory that was producing T-34s with noticeably better quality than all other tank makers.<br />(...)<br />The factory, of course, did not want to lose face before its allies and picked three of the best tanks out of those that successfully passed the acceptance test. They belonged to the latest production batch with all the changes and improvements made by that time. Particular attention was<br />paid to their preparation for a future long journey. Vehicles were thoroughly cleaned inside and out, filled with fuel and fresh oil. To prevent corrosion they were coated with three layers of paint. Spots on the bottom portion where water could get into were protected with a thick layer of grease, and all hatches, holes, and chinks were thoroughly sealed. Gauze bags with desiccant were placed inside. Each of the three T-34s was furnished with<br />detailed operating and maintenance instructions. They were added with separate manuals on the engine, armament, and the radio set, as well as a full set of assembly drawings, spare parts, and tool kits. At the end of August 1942 one of these T-34s, along with a KV heavy tank, was sent to the US. Another, also paired with a KV, was shipped to England from Arkhangelsk in June 1943, after a 10-month delay (TsAMO D. 1744, pp. 58, 64)."critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-14912946237993264132018-04-20T11:10:39.993-04:002018-04-20T11:10:39.993-04:00I really doubt Russia would send their best to Ame...I really doubt Russia would send their best to America. In the back of their minds we were still the enemy. Sager ,William A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06830369127449299646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-25095325222144608592018-04-20T09:56:39.283-04:002018-04-20T09:56:39.283-04:00Ah yes, the famous UZTM with the factory number 18...Ah yes, the famous UZTM with the factory number 183, the one that <br />wrote the number 5 suspiciously like 3 http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2014/09/preparation-of-aberdeen-t-34.html<br /><br />Where do you get this nonsense from?<br /><br />Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-8997501633291425252018-04-20T08:28:12.552-04:002018-04-20T08:28:12.552-04:00The T34 sent to the US was from a special limited ...The T34 sent to the US was from a special limited production run of five vehicles, made at UZTM (again, UZTM made the best T34 in this timeframe), and utilized only the best materials aviable. These were of higher quality than standart issue T34. Three were sent to the front, one to the US and Britain, respectively. critical masshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02366274198749901618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-50996235704838440812018-04-19T11:40:37.816-04:002018-04-19T11:40:37.816-04:00The Soviet report pointed out that the air filter ...The Soviet report pointed out that the air filter in the T-34 was not used correctly during the evaluation. In any case, it was replaced with an improved model.Alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537203226584815118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-44788011870261687882018-04-19T09:47:15.066-04:002018-04-19T09:47:15.066-04:00As far as I know, an improved filter was only inst...As far as I know, an improved filter was only installed in 1943, while the Americans got an older tank.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09622237223229485503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5030145265861917845.post-84351712285356507912018-04-19T09:10:28.097-04:002018-04-19T09:10:28.097-04:00The T-34 tested in the USA at Aberdeen was cited a...The T-34 tested in the USA at Aberdeen was cited as having a terrible air filter system. I wonder how long this problem persisted. The US verdict on the T-34 powerplant was essentially that it was an excellent design but the poor air filtration took a LOT of power away. 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